ODP Editor: shadow575

Personal Views and Opinions of a DMOZ Volunteer and BOTW Editor

Application Denied - Category Already Well Represented

Posted by shadow575 on May 12, 2008

I noticed it again. Someone complaining about receiving an “automated rejection message” for an application to edit, that stated “you have chosen a category that is already well represented” and that they should “apply for a category that is less represented”. Their belief is usually, that the category hasn’t been updated in many months (or years) and the category still had a “Volunteer To Edit” link on it. So it must not be well represented. Unfortunately, these comments are misleading to anyone who hasn’t applied to become an editor. The recipient of this letter has failed to mention what the actual denied application letter said, and chosen to focus on one small part of it that is likely not the real problem.

Firstly, there are NO automated responses to application acceptance or denials. If you apply, the response you receive may be one of the standard messages (or a modified version) but its been generated by a human being and done so because they reviewed your application and determined that this response was the most applicable. The entire section of the above denied application message reads:

Although we would like you to join us as a volunteer editor, you have chosen a category that is already well represented, or is broader than we typically assign to a new editor. We would encourage you to re-apply for a category that has fewer editors or is smaller in scope, in order to increase your chances of being accepted.

The key part of this is almost always “or is broader than we typically assign to a new editor”. In almost all cases of this nature, the category is either too large (typically having more than a hundred listed sites, or large/spammy suggestion pools) or so broad in scope that few sites would be listed there and it would be too much for an editor in training to try and maintain without more experience. The rest of this message is almost always ‘forgotten’ when someone posts a complaint about being denied on an application. Generally speaking, a category of less than a hundred listed sites is a good place to start an editors training.

One of the main reasons for a new editor to start in a smaller category, is because it provides a safer learning environment for them. No matter what the pre-existing state of the category is, a smaller category provides the chance for an editor to learn without too many complications. Also having access in a smaller section of the directory to start out, will help limit the amount of damage that mistakes made by a new editor can do. Remember, even if your application makes a good impression on the reviewer, it can only give a glimmer of insight into your potential skills as an editor. A smaller category makes it much easier and more manageable for a newbie trial run.

Do not be discouraged by a denied application or three. Many (most?) of us failed to get close enough on the first attempt, for a reviewer to take a chance on us. I think it was my third or fourth attempt before I got it in the ball park. Besides being able to identify and take the appropriate steps to rectify problems with your own denied application, helps to demonstrate many of the qualities a good editor possesses. Unless the reviewer left comments suggesting a future application wouldn’t be necessary, please take some time to work out and correct the problems with the denied application and re-apply. There is no set time period for waiting to reapply, once you are ready just go for it.

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7 Responses to “Application Denied - Category Already Well Represented”

  1. Alucard Says:

    A very good post! Wish a few more would see it.

    Hmm, but it sort of begs the question as to why those two reasons are lumped together. I obviously don’t know the internal workings of the approval system, but could they be split out into two? Would cause less confusion for the recipient, I’m sure.

    All the best,
    Alucard

  2. shadow575 Says:

    Alucard,
    Welcome!! And thanks for the kind words. I am not sure why those two get lumped together and don’t know the logistics as to separating them. I can tell you that most every application I review (accept or reject) gets additional feedback specific to the application that explains in much great detail what needs to be improved. This occurs even in instances where the category is too large, or to broad too even though the standard letter includes them. Most Meta’s I am familiar with do this as well.

  3. Makrhod Says:

    Lots of suggestions have been made by metas for the wording of the various automated letters to be changed, but it seems to be low on the priority list for those with the necessary access.
    Consequently, as shadow says, many metas spend extra time to write a more detailed and explanatory response. My own responses also included links to resources for helping the applicant submit a more successful application next time.

    As I processed over 10,000 newapps in the 3 years I was a meta, this represented a considerable investment of my time, and it was always extremely disappointing to see some of these same applicants then post angrily in external forums claiming not to have been given any rejection reason or assistance. :-(

    Some people will only ever read what they want to read, and no amount of assistance will help them.

  4. Tony Warne Says:

    I am only new to DMOZ, having been accepted as an editor only two weeks ago.

    It took me about 8 attempts to be accepted as an Editor and looking back, I can clearly see that completing the applications provided me with the training and knowledge that I need to actually allow do my job.

    The rejection emails were disheartening at first, but the will to succeed was stronger.

    I am glad that I kept trying, I am glad that I was accepted and I am thoroughly enjoying the few little things that I have done.

  5. shadow575 Says:

    Tony,
    Welcome! Thanks for commenting. I am glad to see a newbie enjoying the project. Glad to have you on board.

  6. Alucard Says:

    I think that people tend to read what they want to see, and giving them such an opportunity to misinterpret something like that is unfortunate. I’m sure most stop at the first line of a rejection and once they see *A* reason they don’t bother looking for more.

    OK, so it looked my my suggestion isn’t a new one. Oh well, it was worth a try :)

  7. shadow575 Says:

    Just because it wasn’t a new one, doesn’t mean its not an important one. Hopefully with the implementation of some new admin leadership some positive changes can occur. After all the implementation of changes to guidelines, policies and other documentation falls under the realm of Admin duties ( http://editors.dmoz.org/guidelines/admin/):

    Create and modify submission policies, editing guidelines, and other documentation on dmoz.org.

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